Round nineteen selections

St George Illawarra Dragons vs Gold Coast Titans – Friday night – UOW Jubilee Oval

Eighth plays ninth and the winner stays in the top half of the competition for at least another round (unless the Titans win and the Panthers beat the Eels by a lot more than anyone expects). I'm assuming Josh Dugan won't be playing after his jaw ran into the shoulder of Greg Inglis on Wednesday night - can it really be a shoulder charge when you're standing still? Nightingale is the logical replacement at fullback and he's not the sort of man to let his club down. These sides met earlier in the year and the Dragons prevailed on the Gold Coast by 19 points to 12. The Dragons have a very strong overall record against the Titans but, oddly enough, the Titans have won two from three at Kogarah. In any case this will be game number 250 in the NRL for Benji Marshall, and while his best football was with another club I'm sure the Dragons would like to celebrate that milestone with a win. Note that the Dragons have only scored more than 20 points in a game twice this year - once they scored 24 and lost and the other occasion was 30 points against the team running last. The Titans on the other hand have scored more than 20 points in a game on eight occasions. For the Dragons to win they'll need to contain the Titans attack, but I think they can I think they can.

Verdict – Dragons by 1

Result - Titans 32 defeated Dragons 12

Manly Sea Eagles vs New Zealand Warriors – Saturday afternon – NIB Stadium

Despite the online bravado from the Sea Eagles fans on this site, Manly have lost seven of their last eight games, and another loss here sees them in danger of being overtaken on the ladder by a team that had 12 points docked from their total. While most of their wins this season have been against the poorer teams (Roosters, Dragons, Knights) I will give them some credit for two of their wins:

  • they're the last team to beat the Sharks - way back in round three; and
  • they did beat the Warriors in New Zealand - way back in round six.

Obviously that win over the Warriors is worth noting, and while this game isn't at Brookvale the Sea Eagles have been clever enough to pick up a cheque and take this game to Perth. That's a long way for the Warriors to travel - they've played in Perth on four previous occasions and they're yet to win. Given they struggle to win when they travel to Sydney it's hardly surprising that the trip to Perth knocks them around. All those big Warriors in those tiny little airline seats. The Warriors are a warm favourite and on form that makes perfect sense but the travel has me leaning the other way.

Verdict – Sea Eagles by 2

Result - Sea Eagles 15 defeated Warriors 14

South Sydney Rabbitohs vs Brisbane Broncos – Saturday night – ANZ Stadium

Those at Redfern Central will tell you the Bunnies can still make the finals. They aren't lying, but they do need to win seven of their last eight games, and during those eight games they have to play the teams that are currently 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th on the ladder. That's quite a mountain they have to climb, and they haven't looked like mountaineers all season. Basecamp is the Broncos this weekend, who don't have to climb a mountain but they do have to dig themselves out of a hole. While they were completely flogged by the Storm last start I, like Wayne Bennett, saw glimpses of their best, particularly in the first ten minutes. The biggest concern is their defence, but I expect that's been a focus for them during the last two weeks - it needs to be. Reynolds was ruled out of Origin with injury but he's been named here ???, meanwhile this game will be without Greg Inglis and Corey Parker who are suspended following the chaos on Wednesday night. The Broncos have tapered mid-season previously and if my hunch is right they will rise again and prove to be a force when it matters most.

Verdict – Broncos by 7

Result - Broncos 30 defeated Rabbitohs 10

Newcastle Knights vs Melbourne Storm – Sunday afternoon – Hunter Stadium

Bellamy may be tempted to rest a few of his key assets this weekend, but he probably won't and he probably shouldn't. The Knights on a Sunday afternoon should never be taken for granted, and the return of Mullen in the halves can only help. That said, the Storm were both clinical and brilliant in their dismantling of the Broncos, and anything near that level has to be too good for the Knights. That round 26 clash between the Storm and the Sharks looks more important every week.

Verdict – Storm by 22

Result - Storm 20 defeated Knights 16

Penrith Panthers vs Parramatta Eels – Sunday afternoon – Pepper Stadium

Rugby League is a team game, but the Eels beat the Roosters last weekend thanks to one player. That one player, Corey Norman, won't be playing this Sunday after being stood down by the club for you know what. So all of a sudden the Eels are without their most creative player and their most potent attacking weapon following the injury to Semi Radradra. Once again, the schedule has fallen favourably for the Penrith Panthers, but I said that last week and they got flogged anyway. Moylan, Mansour and Peachey return for the home side and they're close enough to full strength. I can't tip them confidently, and at $1.28 they are at toxic odds that shouldn't be touched by your worst enemy, but I'll give them another chance to prove to me they are the team I think they can be.

Verdict – Panthers by 8

Result - Panthers 22 defeated Eels 18

Sydney Roosters vs Cronulla Sharks – Monday night – Allianz Stadium

Why take $1.28 about the Panthers when you can take $1.48 about the Sharks? Excellent question Thinker....gamble responsibly.

Verdict – Sharks by 10

Result - Sharks 32 defeated Roosters 20

Wally Lewis - round nineteen selections (in bold)

Note: tips from Wally will be published on Wednesday night or early Thursday morning.

  • DRAGONS vs Titans
  • Sea Eagles vs WARRIORS
  • Rabbitohs vs BRONCOS
  • Knights vs STORM
  • PANTHERS vs Eels
  • Roosters vs SHARKS

Comments

Fortress eagle's picture

Coach you must be joking so that means my fellow mighty eagles supporters eagle rocks and big Pete are me is that what ur saying.thar any manly supporter that comes on this site is me. Then we can safely say that all Penrith supporters are you.

Come on everyone can't you see this man and the cows supporter want to run this site is that what u all want.they have been trying to get rid of me and any manly supporter or anyone that disagrees with them.if this is not bullying than tell me what is.

The lies that u spin on this site coach potato shows u up as a vindictive character and to use Christine to lie about me using her for darts must show everyone what u really are.

Mark Ashord in his post said that I didn't attack Christine it wasn't directed at her and anyone that reads it would know it was never meant for Christine.but you coach saw this as your way to turn it on me what sort of a person are you but a disgrace.

I know hundreds of manly supporters who I talk to some mates some who go to the great fortress at brooky and who love our great club.

I hope that everyone can see that anyone who lies to get there own way Anne uses a lady a very nice perso. Christine to make up a horror lie against me and her is not fit to be on this site.

Eagle rock and big Pete and any other manly fan is not me and I am wiling to prove this in every possible way .yes me and eagle rock are mates he wanted to come on here to make it a balance and to stop this coach pototo from abusing bullying and running this site fir his own hatred and greedy agenda.

Thankyou mark Ashord for your support mate do you think coach lieing bout Christine been the one I refered to about the darts can't you see it if he can lie about that than how can he be trusted with anything he posts on this site.mark ashford you are a champ good luck to your team I have tipped them to bounce back this week and crush the rabbitts and your support is much appreciated buddy.

Christine I agree that everyone should talk footy but what can we do when some certain people don't have the ability to do so, but to make up lies and to try and bully people off this site,

Coach u are a very sick man but that is no excuse for your behaviour.

Come on everyone we can defeat the ring leader of bully's if we all just see what is going on and together we can make this site the best that footy can bring,

I'm an the one and only fortress loved by all manly fans with the passion that can not be denied.

Be strong everyone and fight this evil thT is taking away our rights to be who we want to be as people and the rights to scene our clubs but most of all our rights to be who we want to be free and happy to express our opinions and thoughts.

Go the mighty sea eagkessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Fortress eagle's picture

Coach you must be joking so that means my fellow mighty eagles supporters eagle rocks and big Pete are me is that what ur saying.thar any manly supporter that comes on this site is me. Then we can safely say that all Penrith supporters are you.

Come on everyone can't you see this man and the cows supporter want to run this site is that what u all want.they have been trying to get rid of me and any manly supporter or anyone that disagrees with them.if this is not bullying than tell me what is.

The lies that u spin on this site coach potato shows u up as a vindictive character and to use Christine to lie about me using her for darts must show everyone what u really are.

Mark Ashord in his post said that I didn't attack Christine it wasn't directed at her and anyone that reads it would know it was never meant for Christine.but you coach saw this as your way to turn it on me what sort of a person are you but a disgrace.

I know hundreds of manly supporters who I talk to some mates some who go to the great fortress at brooky and who love our great club.

I hope that everyone can see that anyone who lies to get there own way Anne uses a lady a very nice perso. Christine to make up a horror lie against me and her is not fit to be on this site.

Eagle rock and big Pete and any other manly fan is not me and I am wiling to prove this in every possible way .yes me and eagle rock are mates he wanted to come on here to make it a balance and to stop this coach pototo from abusing bullying and running this site fir his own hatred and greedy agenda.

Thankyou mark Ashord for your support mate do you think coach lieing bout Christine been the one I refered to about the darts can't you see it if he can lie about that than how can he be trusted with anything he posts on this site.mark ashford you are a champ good luck to your team I have tipped them to bounce back this week and crush the rabbitts and your support is much appreciated buddy.

Christine I agree that everyone should talk footy but what can we do when some certain people don't have the ability to do so, but to make up lies and to try and bully people off this site,

Coach u are a very sick man but that is no excuse for your behaviour.

Come on everyone we can defeat the ring leader of bully's if we all just see what is going on and together we can make this site the best that footy can bring,

I'm an the one and only fortress loved by all manly fans with the passion that can not be denied.

Be strong everyone and fight this evil thT is taking away our rights to be who we want to be as people and the rights to scene our clubs but most of all our rights to be who we want to be free and happy to express our opinions and thoughts.

Go the mighty sea eagkessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

a's picture

EagleROCKS with that attuide I don't think you should be on the site either bullying is not acceptable in anyway I don't care wether you are fortress not not there might be a sin bin on the way

Fortress eagle's picture

Another lie coach first u use Christine to lie about the darts board and now u think every manly supporter that come on here is me. So you reckon eagles rocks and big Pete are me .

Well than we can safely say all the Penrith fans that come on here are you . What a joke and vindictive liar your are coach potato first u use a lovely lady who has never done wrong by you to lie bout the darts post even mark ashford posted to Christine telling her it wasn't true it wasn't directed at Christine and you Md the cowboys supporter lied to make me out to be someone that you both really are lieing jelouse bully's who want to dominate this site.

Eagle rock is a mate he came on here to balance the ledger what y going to do coach try and bully him pff as well what a vindictive person you are what a sick perverted mind you have.

Sooner or later most if the people on this site will catch on to you and we will be rid if your evil the lies and bullying u and that mate of yours the cows supporter will I hope oneday be rid of from this site.

You can't keep bullying people coach you will be found out if only people can see what ur really like attacking others who love there clubs and bullying people off who you don't like ,well it's time to put an end to your disgusting behaviour you are not a good character ant man that lies about violence towards a women when it wasn't directed at her proves the point that u are hiding behind an agenda your gulit which cannot be denied,

Keep up the fight everyone who hate to be dominated and who hate this bully mentality that is destroying this great site with great people who come on hear free to express there thoughts and to have love for there club and state , we can beat this evil. Ur ut has to start sooner rather tan later,

Go the mighty sea eaglessssssss

Fortress eagle's picture

You see cows supporter comes on and wants me chucked off for expressing my thoughts what have I said that was wrong the problem is for the cows supporter is that I'm defending myself and my club and now that other manly supporters are comming in and defending me he wants to put me in the sin bin, but I tell everyone to read my posts where does it say I was attacking anyone only telling the truth if u all condone lies against me and Christine about the dart board than u are condoning the threat if violence towards women .

If the post was not directed at Christine and mark Ashord has told Christine that it wasn't than what does that say about coach and cows supporter.

And if I'm to be bullyed off this site than the thinker would condone these lies and threats against me I didn't and would never attack or abuse women the pits was not directed at Christine and if people want this to just be swept under the carpet than the bully's and lies and threats will continue as long as we don't stand up to it

Cows supporter you and coach will not win I'm just been hounest you and coach know it wasn't meant for Christine u can't deny it because mark ashford and tigers have read the post how can the thinker condone both your behaviour unless he supports all this

Eagles. For ever .

Fortress eagle's picture

That's it cows supporter let's get rid of all the manly supporters is that your agenda you now can't stand the fact that there are more mighty eagles fans to come on this site,

Where on earth did eagle rocks bully anyone all he did was defend his club and me.

So now u want to bully him off as well come on everyone this has to stop both these men hate destroying this footy forum and it must be stopped or else I will take it higher to lie bout me and Christine and now to threaten my mate eagle rocks with the sun bin has to be the last straw I will be talking to some people at the manly footy club and hope we can get these bully's off this site .

Can someone please do something about this fir god sake I don't want to beg but can someone please do something it's a disgrace wake up everyone can't you all see what us happining for god sake man.

BoozeMaster2000's picture

Hmm…I’m a bit confused. I thought I joined a footy site.
But, looking around, I think I may have accidentally joined a Hairdressers forum of some type….must have pressed a wrong button whilst I was googling ‘Man Perms’.

a's picture

Since when did I say you cant support Manly you can support who ever you want just don't be a bitch about it that what I am trying to tell you but your just not listening

Fortress eagle's picture

Everyone and thinker please read mark ashford post where he tells Christine it was not directed at her can u all read the post mark is telling the truth . So what now are we saying that mark is bullying come on he is telling the truth so Christine is not threatened god knows how Christine thought if me and to put up with the lies that both coach and cowgirl are spinning I really wonder who really should get the sin bin we have refs that make bad calls on the footy field are we going to sin bin the wrong people this is a joke just going too far.

Baggy_Gee's picture

It does seem that way Boozy, easier to stay out of it and leave them to duke it out. Kinda pointless argument really, stupid things were said that resulted in the man up stairs stepping in and issuing an edict, the problem should really be finished, but friends are being called in and it is starting to spin and escalate. But on a friendlier note, more than willing to pull you up on any future Dragons tips, but after two lay down performances it'll be fresh in your memory for a while. If you want a good game of football, Sunday afternoon out at Pepper, Eels vs "the team that showed up" (tm). The way both have been going could be a fair few points in them and good running rugby.

christine's picture

Fortress eagle & coach : guys can you please stop now enough is enough lets just get back to the football .

Fortress eagle's picture

Can everyone read the cowboys supporters posts and coaches can someone please tell me that they like manly I mean come on man what a joke again cows supporter comes on spin it around this has to stop for Christ sake can someone do something I don't care anyone.

a's picture

I think we need the sin bin for Fortress Thinker and THL

christine's picture

Fortress "a'' has never liked manly & he has never made any secret of it ,it's not an attack against you but he is entiled to his opinion just like anyone else now please stop & just let things settle down .

Rocket Ryan's picture

I'm almost comatose what the f***

a's picture

Thanks Christine

christine's picture

Rocket ryan it's alright go back to sleep it's just a bad dream that will be gone when you get back up .

Fortress eagle's picture

Ok Christine give into him he must of done backflips when u posted your last post don't say I didn't warn you joe can u condone lies that was directed at me to use you as a dart board and two let these to king bully's run the show I repsect you Christine but for god sake can't you see it .

And cowboys fan if I get put in the sin bin or any other manly supporter you hate I will take it to the highest place I do know important people at the manly club so keep up your threats against us manly fans u and coach think you are going to win well guess what never because I believe in myself I've done nothing wrong it's your denial and potatoes deniel that you both ahave an agenda from day one and that is to get rid of mr and any manly supporter I know it you both know it and everybody else knows it but no one else has the guts to stick up to you both fair dinkum

BoozeMaster2000's picture

You don’t see a lot of guys rocking the man perm these days. Not sure why that is. A perm could really compliment my Magnum PI denim shorts and moustache to my way of thinking. The ladies love guys who are not afraid to go the perm.

Fortress eagle's picture

Oh by the way cowboy and coach you can put me in the sin bin but you can't put all the manly supporters in there now can you you see u will never win

Go the mighty sea eaglesssssss

a's picture

And we don't want all Manly supports in any one the ones that disrespect other people just like any other team

BoozeMaster2000's picture

Do you know who rocked an awesome man perm? Cliffy Lyons man!! His perm was so rad! He single handedly pioneered the perm/mullet combo! Known today as the Lyons permlet. Many people feel he should be publicly flogged for inventing that hair style, but not me man. Everyone was like ‘hey Cliffy, you can’t have a perm AND a mullet at the same time dude’, and Cliffy was like ‘Cram it losers, I’m rocking this Permlet whether you like it or not’. Respect man, respect.

tigerholic's picture

All good points Christine

But EagleRocks Coach is a mainstay around here, his comments are fine with me even if they target my old Tigers.

Rocket Ryan's picture

Broncos specials tonight i have got afeeling we are going to rip this comp up now.

Your next coach pototo

Steel Panther's picture

What have you done to the weather Newbie?

christine's picture

Booze master I have to say your last comment posted made you sound a lot like someone we used to have on this site by the name of Johnny Ray , Just a suspicion of mine I thought I would put out in the ether ???

fortress eagle's picture

this is why i love my legendry club,this is why i bleed for my club,this is why i defend my club and this is why that dispite the backdrop of all the hatred,all the jelousy and all the lies and horriable rumors manly the magnificent have stood up what a magnificent back against to the walls victory.

what a classic victory, and hats off the the warriors on a great game. all respect,
to the the kiwi boys .many kiwi legends have played for my great club
so i say to the warriors heads up boys on a supper effort.

daleuy cherry evans you are a star mate,you have to fight the critics just like our club have always had to but with skill and determination,you shined to bring me to tears,to all the boys just magnificent we are right behind you all the way i love you all.

hope everyone that loves great footy enjoyed the game,just fighting to hold back the emotions its just fantastic when you have a win like this its been a real tough year but the boys,all should be proud of yourselves you are a crediot to yourclub,to your state,and to this great country of ours.

christine hope you enjoyed the game,to big pete we are back mate i know you would as happy as i am mate,to the bronco legend mark ashford good luck to your team tonight they will win for you,and to all the footy lovers out there peace and love from the mighty fortress of brookvale oval.

like christine said lets talk footy lets bring it to ther table,lets be passionate lets be free to be who we want to be,lets not be afraid .i love my footy i love my club and i love this great countery that gives us the freedom to be free and happy .

now i just wanna go party at the footy club with all the boys and dance the night away...............cheers everybody and with great pride i stand on mount broovale and say go you mighty sea eaglesssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

Rocket Ryan's picture

Big win over the rabbits now for the panthers yeh har

a's picture

Broncos are back hopefully we see all 3 QLD clubs make the finals for the 1st time

EagleROCKS's picture

thanks Christine for your kind words.
What a close game in Perth. The Manly boys played a good hard game.
and the Eages will be rocking the brokvale oval next week..
everyone have have a great week.
and go the mighty Eagles!!!!

Tailspin's picture

Bloody Warriors, they just can't seem to get a win in Perth.
Oh well, better luck next time.

newbie from perth's picture

@ Panther …

Yeah, the weather was crap today Panther. But hey, we still managed to get over 11,000 bums on seats at NIB. Not too shabby considering human beings are a fickle mob when it comes to watching sport in the cold and rain. Yeah, not too shabby at all. There would have been more but all the blokes with Cliffy Permlets weren’t going to risk ruining their “do’s”. Weather’s gonna be much the same tomorrow (Sunday) as it was today except max down to 17C. Bloody winter! And people wonder why I wanna live in Thailand? Sheesh! Geez, the Warriors just can’t take a trick over here can they? Oh well, there’s always next time …

@ Christine …

Yeah Christine, BoozeMaster2000 (shall we refer to him as the “Master” from now on?) did remind me of Johnny Ray a bit too. Hopefully the “Master” might step into the vacancy left by our good mate JR. Universe knows the Boss’ site needs some comedic relief considering the comments this week. JR, if you’re still alive and reading this, are you getting that itchy feeling to come back and bounce the funny stuff back and forth with the Master? C’mon, you know you want to …

Anyhoo, gotta go off and check the lotto numbers so I’ll say nighty-night guys. Cheers.

Fortress eagle's picture

Stunning stats to come out of last nights great game the mighty eagles completed 18/18 sets .that means no errors in the first half ,made more remarkable by the fact that it was pouring with rai.n,commentators labelled our first half as perfect.as you can get a half of football, just outstanding.

The second half well the boys just defended there line like it was a brick wall winding back the clock to there dominate era of the last 15 years magic stuff by a gutsy never say die football club.

Mark ashford great win tonight by your mob while there is still room for improvement one can safely say they are back,there big test will be next week but I have the feeling they will be primed and I reckon that there opponents could cop an almighty shallacking , well done so we are both winners on an evening I will never forget cheers to you mark

Big Pete are you ok or just celebrating don't blame you mate, the leagues club was packed great to see smiling faces,ran into the great man bobby Fulton I said gosh where has that been all year , he looked at me and smiled were only just warming up what.legend,take care big Pete hope to see u on here soon.

And last but not least to all you mighty sea eagles fans dare to dream, cause we all know that the mighty eagles dare ,

Keep rockin eagles.............mighty and proud,

Fortress eagle's picture

Eagle rock I love ya mate but your a terrable dancer,anyways it was a fun night well off to bed see u soon buddy.

It's good night from the fortress of the mighty eaglesssssssssssssssss

Fortress eagle's picture

Go the mighty sea eagkessssss

Steel Panther's picture

For a moment there Newbie I thought the game was being played in Auckland with weather like that!!!

Yea the Warriors just can't buy a trick in Perth but they had their chances. Well done to Manly. They won it on their defence and a near fautless completion rate. Pretty awesome considering the conditions.

Nice to see the Broncos back to their winning ways too!!

christine's picture

Coach your silence is deafening but I can still hear you scream so c'mon coach it's time to resurface , we need you on site ...
& fortress play nice & leave coach alone .

Thinker's Little Helper's picture

Just a quick note to say I've done some work on the site this morning and we all should be able to use emoji characters in comments now (sorry to Seaeagle47, WesTigerSteven, and Rocket Ryan who appear to have tried to use emojis before and had things crash on them).

Enjoy the rest of the weekend. ???? ????

christine's picture

TLH Are you going to put emjoi characters on the website for us all to access & use ? If so were are they I don't see them here ?

BoozeMaster2000's picture

Dammit!! The thinker was right about large kiwis vs airline seats!! Why didn’t they request the emergency row???? Everyone knows that!! Also, I bet its free alcohol on the trans-tasman flight….they were probably shoving Steinlagers’ down their throats like they were going out of fashion!!

Thinker's Little Helper's picture

christine if you post comments from a phone you might have emojis available from the phone keyboard (unless your phone is ????). Otherwise you can copy/paste from other places on the web like http://www.copyandpasteemoji.com

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christine's picture

Booze Master I'm still convinced your the former Johnny Ray but I haven't heard you use the word bro yet dude yes but not bro that would just seal it for me , The picture you use is something he would do but the wording & the comment you made about cliffy lyons says johnny ray so I will keep watching this space but I do have two ? for you do you drink southern comfort ? do you follow warriors ? , if you answer yes to those ? your johnny ray ...

christine's picture

Booze Master If you are Johnny Ray reveal your identity to us we need some comic relief around here & if your not you better be funny because we need it .

christine's picture

C'mon Coach i'm going to be annoying until you return c'mon guys bring back coach bring back coach bring back coach bring back coach ...

a's picture

Yeah come on Coach comment

christine's picture

Coach you of all people don't let anyone get the better of you so don't let them , c'mon coach come back please your being called to service on this site .

Baggy_Gee's picture

Speaking of hair Boozy, I miss Martin Lang, watching him take a hit up was great, especially when it was just a little bump. His body said little bump, but his hair said massive hit. Ahhhh the good old days, when forwards only knew one direction and one speed.

BoozeMaster2000's picture

Sorry Christine….no to both of your questions. I am not Jimmy Ray, sorry to disappoint. It would have been good to meet him though, because if he used the word ‘bro’ a lot, he must have been cool as sh*t. And, he has made a lasting impression on you, so he must’ve been a real charmer.

Baggy, I remember the same used to happen to Sam Thaiday when he had the massive fro happening. Looked like he was getting smashed in every tackle!

christine's picture

Booze Master Johnny Ray left a lasting impression on all of us on this site & is sorely missed by all not just me & we have been unsuccessful in contacting him to get him back on this site , but let me say hi to you your welcome on this site & just ignore all the other cr#p that's been going on that you may have heard since you've been on this site .

mark ashford's picture

Great win by Manly yesterday in terrible conditions. Almost perfect completion rate...Trent will be pleased.
Also nice win by my Broncs but still some improvement needed.
Storm and knights evenly poised with 10 to go.
This is a RL site so in future only comments from me will relate to football.
Don't care who hates who or anything else.
I do love the funny stuff though and remember well Cliffy's permlet and others in the past. Thanks Boozy one for the laugh.

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