North Queensland Cowboys vs Brisbane Broncos – Thursday night – 1300SMILES Stadium
Where relevant I'll do my best to explain the implications of different outcomes when it comes to the top eight.
The Cowboys, currently 7th, could finish as high as 5th and as low as 9th. 5th or 9th are unlikely, but possible. If they stay in the top eight they will be travelling to Sydney for the first week of the finals, unless they can get themselves into 5th or 6th place with a win on Thursday night. A loss means they could miss the eight, but may not. If the Dragons lose on Sunday, the Cowboys are in the top eight regardless of all other results. The Broncos, currently 3rd, cannot drop out of the top four, but there is a chance (albeit slim) that they can finish in the top two. With the Storm as minor premiers, no-one really wants to finish fourth. If the Broncos win, they avoid 4th.
I certainly gave the Eels a chance last week, but that performance by the Broncos in round 25 has me scratching my head harder than ever. It wasn't just the loss, or the magnitude of the loss – it was the way the Broncos lost that left me baffled. To quote Gus the Snail – it was very unBroncos. Poor defence and schoolboy errors...a repeat of that performance and they'll be losing again. My tip here is on a hunch really, and I'm hunching the Broncos one really bad game is out of the way before the finals commence. September is not the month to have a bad game. The Cowboys picked up their first win in a while last round but they had to work for it. I'm assuming a switched on Broncos is a tougher opponent than the Tigers. Five minutes into this game and we will know if the Broncos switch is on or off. I'm tipping on.
Verdict – Broncos by 10
Result – Broncos by 10
Parramatta Eels vs South Sydney Rabbitohs – Friday night – ANZ Stadium
A home game for the Eels played at the home ground for the Bunnies, but given the circumstances I expect the Eels will still have the bulk of the support in the crowd. This game is essentially meaningless for the Rabbits – they can't even break into the top ten and the worst they can do is drop one place on the ladder from 11th to 12th. They aren't farewelling any legends of the club on Friday night...so why would they try? Pride I suppose. The pride of Redfern. The Eels could move to third (technically they could move to second but it's so unlikely it hardly seems worth mentioning). Even if they don't have the carrot of a top three finish to play for they can avoid the stick of falling out of the top four with a win. A loss and the Sharks can potentially take their place in the top four. Whether fourth spot is a carrot this season remains to be seen. As mentioned previously, fourth spot means a trip to Melbourne next week. In any case, I think the Rabbitohs are only turning up to this game to be polite, and the Eels would have to try really hard if they wanted to lose. I've seen some pretty weird things on rugby league fields over the years but that would be right near the top of the weird list. I say the Eels win this by 40, and head down to Melbourne with a sense of self-belief...and legitimately so.
Verdict – Eels by 40
Result – Eels by 6
Sydney Roosters vs Gold Coast Titans – Saturday afternoon – Allianz Stadium
Providing the Broncos and/or Eels win earlier games, the Chooks need a win to stay in the top two. The Titans could (possibly) move up one place on the ladder to 13th with a win, or could (possibly) slip down one place to 15th with a place. The Titans will be without James, Wallace, Peats, Roberts and Copley. The Chooks are one winger short of naming their best seventeen. Nothing is certain in this game, but this is right next door to certain.
Verdict – Roosters by 28
Result – Roosters by 4
Manly Sea Eagles vs Penrith Panthers – Saturday night – Lottoland
If the three teams below the Panthers on the ladder win the Panthers are out of the top eight with a loss. It seems unlikely, but it's not crazy unlikely. With a win the best they can do is move to fifth, which isn't much different to finishing sixth in the scheme of things. There's a little more pressure on the Sea Eagles – a loss leaves the door open for the Dragons to take that last spot in the top eight away from them. The Sea Eagles have had a pretty good season to be fair but to my eye it looks like they peaked some time ago. In the last three weeks they've lost to the 15th placed Tigers and the 12th placed Bulldogs and they barely got away with a golden point win over the Warriors (who haven't looked like beating anyone forever). Compare that form to the Panthers – in the last three weeks they have faced an opponent with everything to play for. The Panthers have won twice and lost narrowly to the Dragons last weekend. That form should be good enough, and the Panthers did beat the Sea Eagles in round 18. Given the circumstances I could almost call this for game of the round, except that every time the Cowboys and Broncos play each other they give us a rip-snorter.
Verdict – Panthers by 2
Result – Sea Eagles by 16
Melbourne Storm vs Canberra Raiders – Saturday night – AAMI Park
There are only two games this round that will have no influence on our top eight, and this is one of them. You don't need me to tell you how dominant the Storm have been this season, but let me tell you this – The Storm have a points differential of +271. Only one other team (Broncos) have a differential higher than +100, and the next best differential in the top eight is on +68. What's even more disturbing is that they are getting better as the season wears on (or their opposition is getting worse). In their last five games they've scored 190 points and conceded just 45. If they were performing at that level all season their points differential would be +667. Sheesus McSneezus. Is this competition over? It almost looks like it.
Verdict – Storm by 14
Result – Storm by 26
Newcastle Knights vs Cronulla Sharks – Sunday afternoon – McDonald Jones Stadium
I think we have all accepted that the Knights have won the wooden spoon, but I doubt any team has ever won the wooden spoon with as much class as the Knights have done in season 2017. I hope they pack the joint out on Sunday afternoon, and I hope they win. The Sharks can (potentially) finish 8th with a loss but it's pretty darn unlikely. If the Eels managed to lose to the Rabbits the Sharks could be playing for a top four spot (again...unlikely) and they're too far behind the Broncos on points differential to think they can move past them. So to me it looks like the Sharks may not have much to play for by the time this game kicks off. Because of that, and because they haven't been that impressive in recent weeks anyway, I'm tipping what the bookies are telling me is an outrageous upset. Those of you winning your tipping comps shouldn't do this, but I'm not winning so here goes nothing...
Verdict – Knights by 2
Result – Sharks by 8
St George Illawarra Dragons vs Canterbury Bulldogs – Sunday afternoon – ANZ Stadium
The good news for the Dragons is that they are definitely playing for a top eight spot...unless the Panthers and Sea Eagles game ends in a draw. The Red V have a superior points differential to the three teams above them on the ladder. It's a big game. Note that this is the second game this round where the home team is playing at ANZ – the home ground of the away team. The Bulldogs are in a rich vein of form by their standards, and they did beat the Dragons earlier this season, but given the circumstances I can't see them winning this.
Verdict – Dragons by 8
Result – Bulldogs by 6
Wests Tigers vs New Zealand Warriors – Sunday night – Leichhardt Oval
It's almost cruel that these two teams are playing the last game of the regular season, because these are the two teams that would really like this season to be over. The Warriors have won just one game away from home all year. The Tigers might be in 15th place but I've no reason to believe the Warriors will do anything to improve their away record now. The Tigers get to farewell Aaron Woods and James Tedesco with a home game...and Woodsy loves this ground. Back the big hairy bear to score a try at any old price.
Verdict – Tigers by 8
Result – Tigers by 12
Wally Lewis - round twenty six selections (in bold)
Note: tips from Wally will be published on Wednesday night or early Thursday morning.
- Cowboys vs BRONCOS
- EELS vs Rabbitohs
- ROOSTERS vs Titans
- SEA EAGLES vs Panthers
- STORM vs Raiders
- Knights vs SHARKS
- DRAGONS vs Bulldogs
- TIGERS vs Warriors
Comments
Submitted by lillychino on
Hi
The Thinker,
Just wondering if I have missed an email from you regarding my second prize win in the a comp.
Now the season is over I thought I would ask if you don't mind as I am worried I may have deleted the email by mistake . If you haven't sorted this yet that is cool. Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks for a great competition. Congrats on third place.
Submitted by Mary S on
Hi lillychino - the tipping competition continues to include the semi's etc from what I have read. Best of luck.
Submitted by Baggy_Gee on
yep we still have 4 weeks and 9 possible points left to get.
Submitted by The Thinker on
Lillychino
Thanks for the kind words...the tipping comp isn't over just yet. We will continue tipping all the way through to the grand final before we have our three winners. Plus I have excluded myself from the prizes...so assuming I stay in the top three the person who finishes 4th wins something.
As for that prize for you won from the A Game....the answer is yes, I do still owe you a prize. I'll give our buddy 'a' another nudge.
Hey 'a'
Have you had any luck working out how to transfer those funds?
Submitted by mark ashford on
Yes lillychino don't hang your hat up just yet.
we are still tipping through the finals.
you are a point in front of me and not far off a prize
as Baggy said a possible 9 points left so anything can happen.
Thought the Storm took the foot off the throttle a bit last night to avoid injuries.
Sorry Baggy but Brad Arthur's after game press conference annoyed me a bit. I've watched as many games as possible this year and EVERYONE is laying all over players in tackles. No club is exempt.
For those of you whose club has made the 8 I wish you well.
Submitted by The Thinker on
Mark A
It was an interesting comment.
During the last two games the Eels have conceded 19 penalties while their opponents have conceded only 7...and that's in two games the Eels won. Traditionally the team that wins the penalty count often wins the match.
Perhaps that's why he said it....just trying to get into the heads of the referees.
A few teams (I think) have adopted the strategy of conceding penalties while defending their line rather than let a team score 4 or 6 points.
Without wanting to name them...those teams have finished the season in 2nd, 4th and 5th place. :-)
I guess it works.
Submitted by The Annoying Devil on
You forgot to mention 1st 3rd 6th 7th &8th..they're all doing it
Submitted by a on
Hey Thinker Yes I'm am having I've tired a couple times Im sorry they didn't come threw maybe you could give me another nudge
Submitted by mark ashford on
TAD
The point I was trying to make is the Storm have been flogged by other coaches and the media for "laying on or wrestling" in tackles.
Your Rabbits were all over the Eels on Friday night. I thought the refs were very lenient in their penalties and the Eels should have won by more.
It is a problem in our game but until the refs blow that whistle it will continue.
You have so many players trying to milk penalties these days sometimes I think I am watching soccer.
Submitted by The Annoying Devil on
The reason they flog the storm over it is because like (cam) smith crisps they're the original and best at it
Submitted by Baggy_Gee on
That's why I don't watch the post game stuff Mark, it annoys me as well listening to coach whinge about why they lost and the winning coach handing out stale and hollow plaudits to teams that lost. But it seems to be part of the job. Start of next year, if they allowed the refs to read the rule book and ref to that, making sure that any professional foul, and inside the defensive 20m, was punished with 10 in the bin it would only take 40 minutes of football to stop it, especially if there was no limit on players being sent off. Notice how some teams when they lose a player really step up the foul play and the gamesmanship. Annoys me, send another off and its 13 on 11 or less and make sure the refs do it for both teams, clean the game up quick smart.
Submitted by mark ashford on
Hi Baggy and TAD
As everyone seems to be doing the "laying over" thing just how annoying is it and is it just part of the game now?
Over the past couple of years refs have tried to stop it by blowing penalties with the very occasional send off for a real blatant offense.
If a 120kg forward tackles someone and usually gets tangled up with another defender it's hard to get clear and get up.
Sure Storm started it but everyone else has followed.
Storm is not my team (obviously) but it gets my goat that Cam Smith is vilified by other coaches and the Sydney press.
Cam is probably the best and most resilient player we have produced.
His record speaks for itself.
Submitted by christine on
Annoying devil I have heard on talkin sport about how Maguire may not be coaching at souths next year even though he is still contracted for the next two years & expect an announcement on Friday that des is out & dymock is taking over ...
Submitted by The Annoying Devil on
Mark
Smith will go down as the best hooker to lace up most games most wins etc
I'm not bagging him but he's the best at lying on players and whinging to refs and getting away with it
As a Queenslander throwing in Sydney press has a nice touch. It made me laugh when the thinker mentioned teams giving penalties away near their line 2nd 4th & 5th just happens to be roosters eels sharks all Sydney teams
Christine it looks like Maguire is going to England and dymock for sure at dogs so what about Foran if des goes
Submitted by christine on
Annoying devil As much as anyone can say storm are the team to beat they are a protected species that get the rub of the penalties which I have always claimed & mark disagrees with me on that so sorry mark no offence intended but they are protected & things do go in their favour that other teams wouldn't get away with ...
Submitted by christine on
Annoying devil Foran had a clause in his contract at manly that he would only play with des as coach so it will be interesting to see if he still holds up his end of the deal ...
Submitted by The Annoying Devil on
I totally agree Christine especially at home the iceing on the cake was a couple of weeks ago when vulivalu got a penalty try on a wet night that you couldn't be 100% sure he would score. Very rare but Melbourne did get their first premiership by a 50/50 penalty try
Submitted by The Thinker on
Greetings Annoying Devil
A couple of stats to throw your way on the penalties discussion.
Here is a list of total penalties conceded by teams this season so far:
Sharks - 183
Parramatta - 175
Roosters - 162
Cowboys - 152
Broncos - 135
The Queensland teams are giving away less penalties than the three Sydney teams I pointed out. Some of the Sydney teams I didn't point out, such as the Dragons, Tigers and Rabbitohs, are around a similar number to the Cowboys.
When it comes to the Storm, through 24 games of football they have received 6 more penalties than they have conceded. That's 0.25 penalties more than their opponents per game. Not much in that at all.
Submitted by The Annoying Devil on
Ahh ha good point thinker but how do you know the percentage of which came defending their own line.
That's my argument
Look at the roosters they get penalised before they run out..... no crowd
Submitted by Steel Panther on
Maguire gone....
Submitted by mark ashford on
TAD Roosters are known for giving away penalties on their line.
It's just the way they play.
For me I can't understand it as they then have to defend another 6.
Against the lower placed teams it may work.
Have another look at Thinker's stats.
All teams are in the finals, some better placed than others.
Did you notice that Storm don't get a mention.
Submitted by mark ashford on
Steel
What have you heard?
I try to avoid the "news" these days so sick of the citizenship crap and whether we should allow same sex marriage or just drop a bomb on North Korea.
Submitted by christine on
Maguire has been let go affective immediately , reported by wwos one hour ago ...
Submitted by Baggy_Gee on
Look I'm furious of these stats saying the BOYS have given away 175 penalties, that's rubbish. They have given away only 15 penalties this season, the other 160 are Kenny Edwards. But it is true, everyone does it but like jumping off a cliff does that make it right or acceptable. It matters not (channelling Spartan here) what the masses do, it is what the correct action is and if a man has the fortitude to stay the course.
Submitted by The Thinker on
baggy,
one of your best sir....well done
Submitted by a on
Wow don't you hate it when teams just give away penalties on the opposition line because they trying to slow the plot he ball down that's when they should use the sin bin
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